But first take a look at Congressman Dana Rohrabacher's reaction to live organ harvesting:
"This is gruesome and clearly beyond the moral standards of almost every country that I know. It's time for the civilized world to say "no" to the monsters that are tearing apart people in China and enriching themselves from others' bodies. We, as legislators, as statesmen and Americans, must not also become complicit in these crimes by keeping silent. History cares not whether we have inked another trade deal or helped sell another Boeing 747, but history will judge us if we choose to look the other way when faced with truly indescribable human suffering on this scale." (full report)
Police Witness Tells of Organ Harvesting Deals
Epoch Times: Jul 08, 2006 - As the name of "Sujiatun" surfaces, so do the inside stories of extremely brutal persecution against Falun Gong practitioners, criminals sentenced to death, and those who were driven to the outskirts of society by the Chinese communist regime.
During an interview with New Tang Dynasty TV, a former policeman from Guangzhou Province disclosed this inside story on how the Chinese communist regime utilizes its five operating divisions to coordinate with the police system. With a quota set for killing and organ harvesting, all the relevant activities receive permission to operate and no one dares to complain. This policeman said, "In the system operated by the Communist Party, if I kill, I can make money; the government allocates the funds. If I don't work, then I can't make a living. If I don't kill, how can I make a living?"
This policeman is Zhang Jianhua. Zhang was born June 30, 1959, and worked at Longgang Police Station of Shenzhen Public Security Bureau in Guangzhou Province.
Anchor: When were you a policeman in Shenzhen City?
Zhang: I was in the military before 1981. After being transferred to civilian work, I was again transferred to the Longgong Police Station in 1987. Since then, I was a policeman as well as a superintendent. I was mainly responsible for smuggling control and intelligence security, so I have good knowledge of internal documents issued by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). I am also very familiar with Falun Gong cases. In other words, I know the dark side of the Chinese communist regime very well, including murder and corruption cases. I came to America because I was too honest and could not comprehend the lies of being a policeman in mainland China. We were trained to have a good comprehension of law, so I could not remain silent while seeing the law being violated, though I did not report it. My conscience felt unsettled when I saw how victims, including Falun Gong practitioners, were being persecuted. Therefore, I reported those policemen's crimes to their supervisors. I could no longer simply watch unjust murder cases and Falun Gong cases happen, so I disclosed them. Imperceptibly, I received retaliation. There were many reasons for retaliation and forging evidence is very easy. It is also very easy to press charges against anyone who sympathizes with Falun Gong, and those CCP members and policemen are skilled in pressing charges, making it impossible to prove innocence – only guilt. I went to many places to appeal in China, including the National People's Congress, State Council and Ministry of Public Security. I appealed for the persecution against me. No one took my appeal seriously. Instead, they sent me away and mocked me, telling me to not get involved in so many affairs and to go back and be obedient.
I also personally went to the office of Shenzhen People's Daily, Nanfang Daily, and Nanfang Weekend to expose the inside stories. I even wrote to China Central Television (CCTV) editors and personally went to the CCTV station to talk to the persons in charge. They showed no interest at all since I wanted to reveal the dark side of the CCP; reporting such stories would only bring trouble upon themselves. They would never offend the public security system as a whole or tarnish the reputation of the government just to help me out of my troubles. Seeking action, the authorities of Longgang Police Station tried to find ways to fire me. I had no other choice but to flee the country and come to the United States.
The main mission since escaping from China is to expose the organ harvest and trade, along with the murdering and persecution of Falun Gong in China with the help of media outlets in the United States.
Anchor: You mentioned that you have witnessed the organ harvesting from a criminal. Could you please describe in detail the location, time and specific incident you witnessed?
Zhang: It was in 1998 when I was a criminal policeman at Longgang Police Station. Between 1997 and 1998, there was a major drug trafficking case, the biggest of its kind in entire Asia, which was called "961 drug trafficking case," or "916 drug trafficking case", if I remember correctly. The major criminal's name was Wang Tiansong. He had an accomplice whose name was Chen Longzai (They were both arrested). I personally knew Chen Longzai because he lived in our district and had gathered information for me before. However, he met his due punishment for smuggling and trafficking drugs, and was executed in 1997. I followed Chen's case closely because I was friends with one of his relatives. Chen and his brother were both from Hong Kong, and his brother wished to see him one more time before the execution. I knew that all his internal organs were missing and they must have been harvested. The brother's main concern was precisely that Chen Longzai's organs might be removed, because it is thought to be inauspicious if one's organs are taken out upon death.
Anchor: Did people know Chen's organs would be harvested that day because similar incidents had occurred before?
Zhang: His brother definitely knew that Chen Longzai's organs were to be harvested. Nowhere in China can you appeal against organ harvesting from criminals sentenced to death. There is absolutely no way to acquire the body after execution. That day, several of Chen Longzai's friends were also executed. There were about six people in his group.
The whole process was conducted in secret. This execution site was designed in such a way that the road was relatively flat, and it also took approximately 2 hours to get to the crematorium. Armed police were assigned to conduct the organ harvesting. Allowing these policemen to conduct the secret operation did not represent a breach to security because the armed police belong to the army, which has a secure system. Therefore, the Central Military Commission of the CCP must have issued a document stating that criminals sentenced to death can no longer be treated as human beings. The average person presumably understands that such criminals committed atrocities and therefore cannot be treated as human beings. The government allocated funds for organ harvesting. They purchased or imported some advanced and specialized vehicle that can be used for organ extraction on the road.
Anchor: Was the operation conducted inside the van?
Zhang: It was conducted inside the van. After the criminals were executed, they were transported into the van. Because the armed police also conducted the entire execution process, the average person does not know what they do inside the van—only the traffic police, criminal police, or armed police know the secret operations.
I went to the execution site to watch the execution. In general, the bullet would hit a crucial spot. This was chosen so as not to cause severe bleeding. Because I was a policeman, normally they didn't care that I was there observing. At that time I had an interest in seeing how they operated. I was curious to why that many imported vans had lowered curtains and shut doors. In this profession, there are many foreign doctors, many MDs. The armed police recruited a large number of medical doctors with bachelor's degrees and doctor's degrees to engage in organ harvesting and related research. These people are extremely talented. But once they got into it, they didn't want to be involved any longer, and many wanted to leave and go abroad. They, however, could not leave because they knew the secrets of the operation. All of them had a deep sense of guilt and regretted getting involved in the organ transplant research.
At the execution site, the whole process went very fast. Once the criminal was executed, the body would be moved into the van and those wearing police hats and white lab coats climbed into the vehicle, shutting the door behind them. Each vehicle can only accommodate one body. On that day, a total of six vans were on site, among which two were borrowed from private hospitals because there were not enough vehicles. All the drivers were armed police or the doctors.
During the transportation, the vehicle drove slowly but steadily, which was probably to facilitate the operation. The vehicles from armed police and traffic police escorted the vans the whole time to prohibit anyone from getting close. All civilian vehicles had to pull to the side of the road. These operations seemed more secure than escorting a nation's president.
We followed them all the way to the crematorium. My Hong Kong friend's brother insisted on seeing his brother Chen Longzai one last time. I lent him a uniform and told him, "If you wear plain clothes, you won't be able to see your brother. Only if you wear a uniform, will you be able to see your brother." Once we arrived at the crematorium, the whole place was shut down and surrounded by the armed police. No one was allowed to enter. Even many people working at the crematorium could not get close. Only the person operating the furnace could.
Because he wanted to see his brother one last time and was even willing to risk his life, I took a risk because it was my commitment to his father. So I told the guard that we were police from the Longgang station. I claimed that six people in the vans were prisoners from our station, and we still have to fill some loopholes in the criminal cases by taking a picture of the face and putting it on record.
The armed guard said, "It is okay for you to look, but don't get too close. Rules from above mandate that nobody should get closer than 2 meters." So we stood two meters away from the body. We saw them unzip the bag. I saw that the transparent bag was full of blood and the whole body was soaked in blood. I thought, perhaps an operation had occurred.
When the bag was unzipped, the face could be seen. Right away, my friend was so agitated that he rushed on; as soon as he unzipped the bag, blood poured out. We could see that the body was empty and all the organs were gone. The eyes were gone as well—perhaps corneas were needed. He wanted to shout and I asked him not to, as it would put his life in danger. Later I apologized to the guard and told him that my friend got too scared upon seeing the body and the blood. The guard recorded our names.
After recording our names, we found their leader and explained the situation. Later the leader asked about my friend. I told him that my friend was related to the person who was shot. He just wanted to see him one last time. He was a security guy, not an armed police. I gave him the police suit to wear. I told them he was a security policeman and I begged for forgiveness.
Maybe they didn't know we had another purpose and thought we only wanted to see the body. That person in charge didn't seem to mind. He let us know that there are rules from above and that we could not share this information with anyone. Later my friend wanted to expose this through Hong Kong media. I told him not to do it because it would harm me. It happens everywhere in China. As a result, he didn't go to Hong Kong media.
Why do I want to bring this out today? It is because organ harvesting in China has reached an excessive and unbelievable state. The government is out of control. It doesn't care about people's lives and deaths including those of Falun Gong. It only cares about money and research. Organs that can be used are all used. Nobody, besides outsiders, dares to expose them, and only foreign media dare to criticize it. Media in China doesn't dare, and would not expose it even if they witnessed it.
Organ harvesting has become an unmentioned part of the milieu. Every hospital is finding organs. Courts are finding police to find targets to get benefits. Through the Department of Finance, the Department of Public Health is giving funds to hospitals. Every year the Chinese communist regime carries on the "strike-hard" campaign in October and November. Some people are killed during the campaign. Then a lot of organs will be available. So every year around that time, the Department of Public Health gives funds to several large hospitals. As a result, operations and surgeries are abundant during this period of time.
After the criminals are killed, their organs are immediately removed. The technology is very advanced and a lot of money is invested there. Many instruments come from foreign institutions specialized in this type equipment; these institutions loan money to you and give you any equipment you want, generating a substantial circulation of money. Our Public Security Bureau also benefits financially from the process. Our district Party secretary Liu Zhigeng said, on killing people, "When you execute one criminal, our Longgang District will award your Bureau 30,000 yuan."
Why would we refuse this money? As a result of this process, our Public Security Bureau is very enthusiastic about severely punishing criminals. But we do not know whether the person killed is a good person or a bad person. As for whether the television station chooses to broadcast the good or the bad case, it is up to them. So, in many cases, those in need of organs have to coordinate with our Public Security Bureau. You let us know what kind of organs you need, and if you need a large number, we simply kill more people.
Anchor: Roughly how many people are executed in a year?
Zhang: The National Ministry of Public Security gives us quotas. For example, for the Public Security Bureau in Shenzhen city, if they are strict in punishing crimes, the quota is between ten and twenty — the more the better; usually, it would not be less than ten. The city has a high crime rate, and the quota is given based on the crime rate. It seems that in Hunan province and Xinjiang region the crime rate is low; when crime rate is low, [the killing quota] is low as well. The Public Security Bureau in Shenzhen is under much pressure because it has difficulty fulfilling the annual killing quota allocated to them. So, they try their best to establish informants and find clues. If you are a businessman, you'd better not offend anyone.
In the end, the job of the police is to kill people, while the job of the crematorium is to cooperate with the police. Since it is sanctioned by top ranks, all kinds of people are involved in this business, including the leaders from the Department of Civil Affairs, Department of Finance, Department of Public Health, Public Security Bureau, the court, and the Department of Supervision. It involved leaders from several units and always receives permission to proceed. Whatever and however you did it, nobody would say anything. So the Communist Party's operation is very smooth, and [people are] very obedient. Why wouldn't they be? If I killed a person, I can receive a bonus of 30,000 yuan awarded by the government; if I do nothing I cannot keep my job. How can I keep my job if I do not kill people?
If you do not provide the organs to the Department of Public Health, how can the Department of Finance give you money? People dare to do this because the central government leaders have provided confirmation. There are several benefits. First of all, one can gain fame by studying human organs, and can be reported by newspapers worldwide. Not surprisingly, China's organ research ranks amongs the top internationally, so those in need of organs have come to China from all over the world. In recent years it is reported that China's organ research is very advanced; that is because they have more organs. If they fail, they will study the operation again; fail again, and study again. Their study can move ahead because China has so many organs for them to study. Other countries cannot do this: If you cannot study and transplant one organ well, I will sue you. In China, where can you sue? You cannot, since each separate department has its own insurance system. You can techinically sue; go to Beijing to sue, but you may have your own organs removed! How can you sue?
Where do you sue? Isn't that the ultimate question, the dilemma itself? All is under the Chinese Communist Party.